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ALI HRASOK: Hi, everyone.
ALI HRASOK: Tonight, we are going to be talking about what secondary transition is. My name is Ali, and we have Sarah with us as well. You want to say hi, Sarah?
SARAH HEINZL: I do, and actually my name is bigger on the slide, so that means that I'm better than Ali. I just...
ALI HRASOK: Falsified information.
SARAH HEINZL: Yeah.
ALI HRASOK: I'm just more modest than you are, Sarah.
SARAH HEINZL: Yeah. Let's go with that one. I think Michael likes to pick favorites and I think I won.
ALI HRASOK: We'll see about that. So what are we going to talk about first?
SARAH HEINZL: We are talking about understanding what you need to get where you want to go. And so first what you need to do is you need to figure out what's your end goal. What do you want to do, who
do you want to be when you grow up. So for example, you will have people who want to be veterinarians or people who want to be doctors or people who want to join the circus. And all of these things
have different transitional pathway, so -- and each person may take a different path, so you and your best friend both want to be doctors may take different pathway but based on the things that you
need. So, switch the slide. Thank you. So what is transition? It helps you prepare for the future. It is focused on your preferences and interest, addresses your individual need and is coordinated --
it's a coordinated set of classes and activities. And I have had positive and negative transition outcome, you transition in multiple aspects of your life, whether it's with healthcare, in
relationship. I mean, specifically today we are talking about education. But you do have a multiple transition. You transition throughout your entire life span. It's from birth to death. And one
thing that had helped me is I've learned what I needed before I've needed it. So when it was time to transition from high school to college, I knew that I had to talk to OVR. I knew what kind of
accommodations I needed, things like that, so. And I cannot stress you in the offices that you need to -- you need to look at your preferences and interests and I cannot stress you enough that you
need to know the things you like to do. Don't pick your future based off of a salary. Yes, a lawyer or a doctor make a lot of money, but if you are not wanting to do those kind of things, if you
don't want to interact with those types of individuals, then you're not going to have fun. And they say that if you pick something that you love to do, it won't end up feeling like work. And when we
think interest, we don't just mean your hobby, but look at the type of people you want to interact with. I love to work with kids and I really don't like to work with older adults, so.
ALI HRASOK: I am the opposite. I am scared to work with young children and love working with adults.
SARAH HEINZL: See, I can -- I can shape their minds to believing whatever I need them to believe, and we're at the stage where everything I say is right and that's awesome. So I actually had to speak
to a conference room full of doctors and I had to tell them about my disability and I was scared because if I thought my disability wrong, if I explained it the wrong way, they would all know. But if
I tell a group kids, yeah, they'll believe me.
ALI HRASOK: True. Very true.
SARAH HEINZL: And I -- also, I love working with people with disability. But if you're not that type of person, if you are a person who doesn't like to work with people at all, you know, a job in
customer service is not really going to be, you know, the ideal job for you, so change. Okay. So the three main goal areas of secondary transition is post-secondary training, employment, and
independent living. So, when we say post-secondary training, we mean tech school, we mean transitional programs, maybe college, depending on the things that you want to do, the post-secondary
training is going to be different. And then the next step is not actually necessarily employment. These things can actually be switched around. This is not in order in which it should be done because
I know. When post-secondary training came for me, I went to college and I lived in a dorm, and so therefore I was living on my own and partying every night. Just kidding. You know, in college. So --
and then you have employment, which should come after training. However, it can also come during training. Right now, I am taking a course at PIP, and I'm also interning at children's hospital at the
same time. So you may end up finding a good employment opportunity while you're getting your post-secondary training. And also, some employers will pay for post-secondary training. So change. Okay.
Going for the goal. The importance of setting goals in life and its journey. This is very inspiring. So when it comes to goal setting, you do want to make sure that you're setting realistic goals.
Even though I want to lose 25 pounds in the next two minutes, it's probably not going to happen. But setting goals and also having sub goals saying, okay. You know what? I do want to lose 25 pounds.
We'll say five pounds in -- technically five pounds in three weeks is okay, so having a three-week, like, smaller goals is better than just having one goal without the stepping stone.
ALI HRASOK: That means goals a lot less scary, too, when you're just thinking them in small steps.
SARAH HEINZL: Exactly. And, you know, after losing five pounds, hey, maybe you want to have a candy bar and treat yourself. In that way, you get rewarded for doing those positive behaviors and living
healthier, you know. It helps -- it helps keep you motivated to, you know, to achieve that goal. So next. Okay. Life and goals go hand in hand.
ALI HRASOK: That's really deep.
SARAH HEINZL: Life is the ultimate endeavor. Search yourself to find your goal and purpose in life. Finding your purpose for your life is important and set goals and have plans to reach them. So, when
it says search yourself to find your goal and purpose in life, and I love this one because I went to school for health and wellness. I knew I wanted to teach kids in gym class. That was my goal. But
when it came to my purpose in life, that was something that I really had to do some searching for, and I actually found out that I love to help people and I want to help as many people as I can in
not just health, but in other aspects in their life as well. I want to be inspiring. So really look deep inside yourself and figure out why you're here, what -- how can you make your life the best
life possible. Next. Okay. And then life is the ultimate endeavor. And I hope anything that were right.
ALI HRASOK: You are.
SARAH HEINZL: Okay. As a young kid, you never realize what life could mean to you. As we get older, goals and aspirations become more important to us. Welcome the challenges that life may bring you
down. And I am a huge believer that the biggest challenge and the biggest barrier you are going to ever face in your life no matter -- whether it be in education, whether it be in everyday life, is
going to be yourself. If you can get past yourself and make yourself not a barrier and not a challenge and not put yourself down, then you can accomplish whatever you set out to accomplish.
ALI HRASOK: I think that's so true and I think an important part of that, Sarah, is like the part about it becoming more important to us because when you're little, your goal is to like, I don't know,
play in the rain or...
SARAH HEINZL: Get through preschool.
ALI HRASOK: Yeah, get through preschool, you know, color in the lines. That was a really important goal to me. But now, you know, an important goal is still the color in the lines, but also to get a
job and not only to get a job, but a job that I love to do. And that can be really hard sometimes. And next. I -- we kind of want to talk about what it means to kind of search within yourself to find
that goal or to find that purpose, and one important point that we want to point out is just that it's okay that these goals change throughout your life. I think it's probably almost nearly
impossible to have the same goal from the beginning and never change them. I don't think that's learning along the way. I know, for me, I have changed my goal probably every other month and they're
not necessarily big changes, but they're becoming more specific. So, when I was in undergraduate school, I thought I knew absolutely no doubt in my mind that I wanted to be a psychologist and then I
wanted to be a neuroscientist and then I went back, and now I'm in graduate school to be a psychologist. And then finally where I'm at right now is I kind of mixed the two together and I want to be a
neuropsychologist. And well, that kind of freaked me out to begin with, that I was constantly changing these goals, but in the end, I knew it was necessary for me to find that real fit that fit what
I think my purpose in life is.
SARAH HEINZL: And I think it -- also, too, to add to that comes with your interests as well, and when you go to college or secondary training, whatever your after high school plan is, you are going to
change, and as you change as an individual, your likes may change. And I didn't realize that I could go and specifically learn about physiology of a human. So, like the anatomy of human and how the
muscles work when people workout. And when I found this out in college, I loved it and granted I failed the class and decided not to do that, but it was still something that I tried and even though I
failed that, I found a variation of that and said, "Okay. Well, I can be a gym teacher and I can teach little kids about exercise." And it doesn't have to specifically be about how the muscle moves
and trajectory and things like that, so.
ALI HRASOK: Yeah. I think that's so important. I think both of our examples show that, you know, the first thing that you think to do might not be a perfect fit, but you just adjust those things and
adapt to what you've learned and if you didn't take that class, Sarah, maybe you wouldn't have figured out the next step to go. And I think those two is important, and we can go to the next slide is
that we always kind of kept a purpose in mind. There was always similarities between our goals. And sometimes, that can be really confusing. Sometimes you can doubt yourself about whether or not you
actually know what your purpose is. And your purpose can change too and that's really okay because I -- everybody goes through it. That's so important to know is that there's not a single person I
don't think that has changed their minds about what they think their purpose is. And I also think -- and, Sarah, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you can have multiple purposes in
life like you...
ALI HRASOK: ...talked a bit about your love of helping people with disability, but also wanting to teach kids in gym classes and things like that.
SARAH HEINZL: I mean...
SARAH HEINZL: Yeah. No. I would -- I would definitely agree with you. I think that a person can feel passionate in so many different areas, and those things come with time and with experimentation.
And the other thing, too, is that you shouldn't change what you want to do or who -- or what you feel your purpose is in life to please others.
ALI HRASOK: Absolutely. Because -- and this point is you're on this last part of the slide is that you're going to know when you find, like, what your purpose really is. I know for me, I -- when I
open up a book that has pictures of the brain in it, I get so excited and so happy.
ALI HRASOK: And when we -- I know I'm disgusting, but it's so exciting to me, which is exactly how I knew that I needed to go in some field where that was related. And the same thing with PYLN when we
SARAH HEINZL: Ew.
do events and things and we get to talk with the--with disabilities, I leave those events and I'm just the happiest person in the world.
SARAH HEINZL: I'm the same way. I love talking to people about my story. And even if you don't want to hear my story, I'm going to tell you my story. And I think the brain is fascinating, but still
ALI HRASOK: It is beautiful and it's what -- it's allowing us to talk and read these slides right now and it's perfect. Okay. So we're going to go on to the next slide which is giving a little more
specific on how to kind of set goals and have an actual plan because it's one thing to sit down and say, "Okay. Well, I want to do this, this, this, and this." But you can't reach those goals unless
you have some kind of blueprint or plan to get to them. And the key thing is really to be open to new opportunities. So if a job opportunity or training opportunity comes along or even if you get to
talk to somebody that's interested in what you are, to get involved in that and to really challenge yourself. Do not just take a backseat and take the easy way, but to really believe in yourself and
kind of push yourself to reach them. I mean, Sarah, how times have you found it really difficult to reach a goal?
SARAH HEINZL: Too often because I'm one of those people I would preach to you about goal setting, but I am not great at execution. And so when I, you know, I come up with these wild things, okay, you
know what, I want to be a painter, and, yeah, that's not happening. And, you know, it's just you really have to have a plan because if you say I want to be painter even though I have no artistic
abilities in -- don't judge me. And you don't have a set way, okay, you know what, I'm going to start taking art classes. Okay. I am not just going to sit at home with some canvass and some paint and
trying to figure it out myself, you know. Using resources and having a plan is your best way to go. And it will help you in the long run because you won't end up like me with 40 different projects
that are not finished because I don't have plans for them.
ALI HRASOK: That's so true, though. I think -- I know -- I know I do something similar as I get excited about so many different things that I set a ton of goals for myself and then this goes back to
what Sarah talked about before about reaching, like setting obtainable goals and really making your plan so that each step is easy for you to kind of reach. And it's so important because like Sarah
said, you will leave so many goals just sitting on the table if you don't have a good plan to reach them and you kind of...
SARAH HEINZL: And you get motivated.
ALI HRASOK: Yeah.
SARAH HEINZL: It helps to keep you motivated because if I would have taken art classes and I would have done all these things now that I'm thinking about it as I'm talking to you guys, I probably
would have stuck with it and, you know, I would have been more motivated to do those things because I saw result.
ALI HRASOK: I agree. You know that feeling, I'm just thinking right now, I love making list and then going through and being able to check them off.
SARAH HEINZL: Oh, I am the same way. I have an -- I have a notebook full of things that I have to do and I just -- I get so excited. I write down, make a list on my list so that I have something just
that I can cross off before I actually to do work.
ALI HRASOK: I love that. That is seriously, probably one of the best feelings in the whole entire world and that all leads to plans. You might not make a list, but you might have like an outline or
just little notes jotted down to yourself about how you're going to reach those goals. And this kind of leads us to the next slide and where, again, this all begins, which is in high school because
as we said before, you're going to leave high school and you're going to go into adult life and really have to start thinking a little more seriously about what your goals are. But all that planning
that we've been talked about can really start in high school to help with your transition. So, Sarah talked about a little bit before about understanding your strength and needs and understanding
really what kinds of things you need that are going to help you and exploring what you want to do. What is your -- what do you think your purpose is? What are your interests? What really get you
excited to kind of get up in the morning and go do something? Some of this can be done through volunteer or jobs that you might want to get involved in and getting out there in your community. And
there's one bullet on here that is absolutely critical, which is participating in your IEP meeting. And this -- you can go to the next slide where we kind of talked about a little bit more is
participating in your IEP. And this -- I'm just -- I can't say enough about participating in your IEP. I know, for me, I would not have been able to go to college and be successful in college if I
wasn't involved in my IEPs meeting and knew exactly what kind of help I needed in order for me to be -- to be successful in college. It's going to give you the ability to really describe your
disability and that is so powerful for you to be able to describe your disability and understand what it is and what your strengths and weaknesses are and kind of what you need to help you learn in
the best way and to help you navigate through after high school, whether that's in school or in training, or in a job. And another important part that's on here is being able to tell other people.
So, the firs step is you really understanding what's going on with yourself and what your needs are. And then the second step is being able to communicate that to other people, and you need to be
able to tell them what you need and why you need them. People, after high school, are less willing to just hand you things that you tell them that you need. But if you can say, "Hey, you know, my
hand gets really cramped when I write too long, so I need extra time on this test." Or "Hey, I'm at work and I can't see that well, so I'm going to need some big type on the screen." They're going to
be more likely to give you that because more likely than not, they're going to want you to be successful and realize that you can be once you get these types of accommodations.
SARAH HEINZL: And coming from someone who did not have an IEP, and I only learned about this kind of stuff when I started working with PYLN. My first day in college, I was -- I was very lost. A lot of
professors came up to me and, you know, didn't know that I needed certain things, that I needed the accommodations that I needed. So, my first day of college was horrible. People looked at me because
I had a laptop in class and nowadays, it's kind of okay, but they said, "Oh, she was just playing on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or Pinterest, or , you know, whatever social media. And she's not
going to work." But, on the contrary, I was actually using PowerPoint to make the exact same PowerPoint that was being sent up on the -- on the screen. And I didn't realize that I could ask my
professor for that PowerPoint. And I didn't have accommodation for the first week of college. And so it's just -- Ali and I are at complete opposite ends of the spectrums and I think I would have had
a much better transition into college if I were to have an IEP and if I were to have been the person that led those IEP meetings because they are talking about you. They're not talking -- it's not
about mom, it's not about dad, it's not about the teacher, it's about you. So, you have to be the one to say, "Okay. These are the accommodations I need." And things like that. The other thing -- and
I am with a group that deals with all --with healthcare. And so when I say that it is important to know your medication, I am completely serious because when you go off and you are living by
yourself, or when you or at a doctor's office by yourself because one day, mom and dad won't be with you, being able to communicate medical needs and the medications you take and the devices you use
is important. So that's my...
ALI HRASOK: And you can't see me right now, Sarah, but I am vigorously nodding my head at my screen right now because I totally agree with you.
SARAH HEINZL: Do you have a lighter up in the air cheering me on?
ALI HRASOK: Yes. I think your story is so similar to a lot of people out there but they just don't have the information about getting in those IEPs and taking control. And I was giggling a little,
Sarah, I have to tell you because I know that if you sat in those IEP meetings, if you had an IEP and sat in those meetings, that you would have taken control of like those...
SARAH HEINZL: Oh, yeah. I would have been the boss. No one else would have been allowed to talk. It would have been...
SARAH HEINZL: ...all about me.
ALI HRASOK: I know.
ALI HRASOK: But -- and we're talking a lot about transition and about IEPs and things. And the next slide that we have on here is just telling you that you can find more examples in the toolkit. We
have a bunch of software that you can get more information in just what we're telling you now. But I guess -- Sarah, are you ready to wrap things up kind of?
SARAH HEINZL: I am.
ALI HRASOK: All right. So, we just want to thank you guys for listening in on this. We are recording this and it will be posted at various places for you to kind of listen as you please. But just to
wrap things up, we want to give you a few things to remember. You're going to encounter challenges in your journey, in your life journey. And just please remember that that's okay and to just really
roll with the punches and keep on going because those challenges are going to make you stronger. They're going to help you figure out what your purpose in life is and what goals you need to set and
what you need to achieve.
SARAH HEINZL: And in disability or no disability, everybody has challenges and...
ALI HRASOK: Absolutely.
SARAH HEINZL: ...everybody has those horrible days that they would just rather stay under the cover than get out and actually do things, and you have to persevere. Okay. Go ahead.
ALI HRASOK: Yeah. That goes right with our saying that when one door closes, another one opens. Just to not...
SARAH HEINZL: Or a window...
ALI HRASOK: Or what? A window?
SARAH HEINZL: Or a window. Sometimes, you have to come in through windows, okay.
ALI HRASOK: True. Sometimes, it's even more difficult and you can't be discouraged by that one door closing because there are really -- I mean, it sounds kind of something your parents would say, but
it's so true that there are a thousand other doors that you can go through and you just have to find the right one. Sarah, do you know what the next phrase is? Fall down seven times and get up eight?
SARAH HEINZL: Oh, that's a lot of times of falling down. I probably fell down more that. But...
ALI HRASOK: Not literally, Sarah.
SARAH HEINZL: I know. No, I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about being down, and, you know, you will -- you will fail things and that doesn't mean that you shouldn't continue because you
have to keep failing. You are going to fail at the end. And the important thing is that...
ALI HRASOK: Yeah, and you've got to fall down.
SARAH HEINZL: Yeah. Not physically. I fall down. I'm a basketball player. I fall down a lot.
ALI HRASOK: You get knocked down.
SARAH HEINZL: Yeah, I get knocked down, but I get up again, that song. So, you...
ALI HRASOK: It's so true. We should have just played this.
SARAH HEINZL: It's -- we should have had a soundtrack. We are sorry, guys. We don't have a soundtrack for this webinar, but, you know, it's not about falling down, it's not about failing, it's the
fact that you're getting back up, and even though you have a possibility of falling down again, that you, at some point, are going to persevere and you are going to succeed. And, you know, the fear
of falling shouldn't stop you from playing the game.
ALI HRASOK: Absolutely. Which leads to the last and final phrase which is, "Go for the gold" which can mean so many things. This can mean go for the ultimate goal and score your dreams and it can be
just those small goals that we talked about. But to always just keep your eyes on those goals and to keep going. 32. 00
SARAH HEINZL: I am [INAUDIBLE]
ALI HRASOK: There you go. All right. Well, I think that is all that we have for now. Again, thank you guys for coming. Hopefully, we will see you all at some point. If you're interested in PYLN,
please, please get connected, that you can do this in a ton of ways. Probably one of the most popular...
SARAH HEINZL: And that's Facebook.
ALI HRASOK: ...is Facebook. So, yeah. We hope to see you soon. Bye guys.